Interview

„Wir betreiben keine Gesinnungsschnüffelei“

Der leitende Polizeidirektor Michael Kuchenbecker in seinem Büro.

Der leitende Polizeidirektor Michael Kuchenbecker in seinem Büro.

Foto: Thomas Reunert

Iserlohn.  Polizeidirektor Michal Kuchenbecker über gefühlte Sicherheit, sinnlosen Populismus und Erosion des Respekts.

Statistiker haben in den letzten Wochen und Monaten Zahlen geliefert. Über Fakten und Gefühle. Im Mittelpunkt der Fragestellungen: Glaubt die Bevölkerung noch an ihre Polizei? Fühlen sich die Menschen sicher? Wo sehen sie Schwachstellen? Auch der leitende Polizeidirektor des Märkischen Kreises Michael Kuchenbecker weiß um die Verunsicherung aber auch um den Vertrauensvorschuss der Menschen in die Polizei. Im Gespräch mit der Heimatzeitung spricht er über Fakten und Befürchtetes.

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